Curse

HawkofStorms · Jun 16, 2008, 03:29 AM // 03:29

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Originally Posted by A Leprechaun

Ok all the people QQing about SF and saying it needs a nerf please each give me at least one way in which it, in its current form, is have a negative affect on you.

e.g. "My wife stabs me every time an ecto drops."

Seriously, how does it affect you?

~A Leprechaun~

It creates inflation by increasing the supply of ectos in the market which in turn makes prices of everything rise as well as further raises the gap between the rich and the poor, ruining the economy over the long term.

That's how it affects me.

Petition suggestion.... A.net please hire an economist to design and balance the game's economy for GW2. If Eve Online could do it, so can you.

Kinn · Jun 16, 2008, 11:58 AM // 11:58

I'm still convinced that the only people that want to nerf this skill are the long-term farmers who have hoarded ectos from these farms, and now they feel threatened that more people can cash in on their old farming spots.

I cannot imagine how anyone who is interested in playing normal PvE (i.e. not farming 24/7) would give a shit, or be affected by the fact that SF has now been buffed.

I'll mention it again - before loot scaling, farming could be massively, massively more profitable than it is now, and yet everyone speaks of those days as "the good old days".

xmancho1 · Jun 16, 2008, 12:04 PM // 12:04

This is a QQ .... when u cant handle it , just create an assasin yourself ...

Kanyatta · Jun 16, 2008, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Kinn

I'll mention it again - before loot scaling, farming could be massively, massively more profitable than it is now, and yet everyone speaks of those days as "the good old days".

Yes, those were "the good old days" because there was no Ursan and half of the skills used in the SF farm were not invented yet. Back in "the good old days" there was more balance.

@xmancho1: The reason people want it nerfed is not because they think its too hard or they can't use it, it is because the economy is being destroyed. I'd like to see you use the excuse if you're picked up for robbing a 7-11 and you say "Well, if you don't like it, just don't do it, just leave me alone."

Thizzle · Jun 16, 2008, 04:45 PM // 16:45

How are people supposed to milk the ecto supply?

/notsigned.

A Leprechaun · Jun 16, 2008, 05:00 PM // 17:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

It creates inflation by increasing the supply of ectos in the market which in turn makes prices of everything rise as well as further raises the gap between the rich and the poor, ruining the economy over the long term.

That's how it affects me.

Petition suggestion.... A.net please hire an economist to design and balance the game's economy for GW2. If Eve Online could do it, so can you.

How is it making a bigger gap between rich and poor? Ecto price is (supposedly) dropping so rich people with huge stockpiles of ecto are not as rich as they were. Ecto is now available to the casual or just plain bad players and not just the already rich "pros".

It is actually making the poor richer by giving them an easy income and making the rich poorer by dropping the price of the things they make money from (ecto). I think thats a good thing.

~A Leprechaun~

*edit* Anyone who has used Ursan and is complaining about SF should gtfo.

phan · Jun 16, 2008, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by xmancho1

This is a QQ .... when u cant handle it , just create an assasin yourself ...

Wow ; congrats .. you just made it to the title "Complete Retard"

Ferret Deathsquad · Jun 16, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

Ok I got the solution to everyone's Problem, Go back to April 1 and make everyone a stick figure, Then NERF EVERY SKILL. Then we will all be on the same playing field and look alike so no one will QQ that someone else has something they don't.

HawkofStorms · Jun 16, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by A Leprechaun

How is it making a bigger gap between rich and poor? Ecto price is (supposedly) dropping so rich people with huge stockpiles of ecto are not as rich as they were. Ecto is now available to the casual or just plain bad players and not just the already rich "pros".

It is actually making the poor richer by giving them an easy income and making the rich poorer by dropping the price of the things they make money from (ecto). I think thats a good thing.

~A Leprechaun~

*edit* Anyone who has used Ursan and is complaining about SF should gtfo.

Because the people who don't use the SF farming build are being left in the dust. I'm reading some comments from people saying they have earned over 100 ectos a day from this farm. The poor... ie, the average person who doesn't farm 24/7, is getting left behind.

And yes, the value of ectos is going down, but that means the price of EVERYTHING else goes up. Stuff that used to cost 100k+20e will start to creep up in price since ectos aren't as valuable, putting stuff further out of reach of the average player.

Also, note, I'm not rich. I, like Malice, basically started over again. I have less then 300k total in ectos and gold on my account.

Age · Jun 16, 2008, 10:49 PM // 22:49

No.I beleive in nerfing the AI so that every profession can solo the UW nerf rend enchant.

HawkofStorms · Jun 17, 2008, 01:42 AM // 01:42

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10299553

To those who don't believe me... people are noticing the overfarming

Hailey Anne · Jun 17, 2008, 06:32 AM // 06:32

You guys do realize that WE control the prices of ecto right?
Its not the A/E farmers dropping the prices its the people who keep panicing like alot of people here and go and sell the Ectos to trader dropping the price.
Although the price hasnt gone down.
Its still going up and down between 4800 and 5500 like it has for a LONG time.
People just need to quit panicing and quit whining about SF.

DarkGanni · Jun 17, 2008, 06:37 AM // 06:37

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Originally Posted by Hailey Anne

You guys do realize that WE control the prices of ecto right?
Its not the A/E farmers dropping the prices its the people who keep panicing like alot of people here and go and sell the Ectos to trader dropping the price.
Although the price hasnt gone down.
Its still going up and down between 4800 and 5500 like it has for a LONG time.
People just need to quit panicing and quit whining about SF.

Amen to that ^^

Mad King Corn · Jun 17, 2008, 06:54 AM // 06:54

I will never understand the logic of people. Some of us really enjoy the pve skills, in fact some us us need them, I am handicapped and some of these skills make things a bit easier for me. Please stop trying to take away our enjoyment of guildwars. It is real easy, just equipt the skills you want to use to enjoy guildwars, and I will equipt mine. I could care less what skills you use and would never attempt to condemn you for using skills of your choice, so please do not condemn those of us that appreciate and use our skills.
The community begged Anet for decent skills in PVE as well as PVE/PVP separation, Anet finally gave us those and I am very appreciative of that. It was the best change thay have made to the game. Once again, Anet gave us what we asked for, half of us are happy, and now the other half don't like it, sorry folks, Anet is doing the best they can. Simply stop using the skills you find offensive, there are many skills I hate, and guess what?, I don't use them....Simple really!

Abedeus · Jun 17, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

Mad King - there are so many bugs, dupe methods and botters. I find them offensive, and guess what, I don't use them. Other people ruin their fun by using them, don't like, don't use.

undead living · Jun 17, 2008, 08:42 AM // 08:42

i would say not signed but becuse of them constantly farming chaos planes makes ecto rates go down and pretty soon z keys will be the new from of high end cash payment,

Dograzor · Jun 17, 2008, 08:45 AM // 08:45

/unsigned

I think its a good move from Anet to buff shadow form... Because now the ecto market isnt controlled by the few players who have stacks of ecto's, and keep regular players poor...

I've been playing GW for three years, and ive always seen rich players getting more rich and regular players staying poor...

And it is quite over exaggerated, ive been farming UW for 2 days in a row, and have had 50 ecto drops... so no 100 drops a day lol...

I make 2-3 ecto one run and 5-6 the other run, and lucky runs 7-8 ecto... each run takes ~40-45 minutes, so hey, we spend time farming, its not like we have ecto's raining from heaven!

Ecto prices have not gone down trough the bottom, ive seen it jumping between 4.8-5.5k, 5k avarage.... And i know that most people would not want to flood the ecto market, most people i know and myself are saving ecto's for obsi armor or gloves. So, incase you're still happy whining about SF and ecto's crashing down, either accept it or change your currency to kk + armbraces for trading, armbraces dont depend on ecto supplies... use an alternative currency...

For now, thanks Anet for buffing SF, you finally give regular players a chance!

Angelina Collins · Jun 17, 2008, 08:50 AM // 08:50

GW economy is a perfect example of the world economy today, supply and demand pricing, ectos is like oil for the most part, even if you are to increase production, thus supply, then demand goes up even more and the price rarely moves, it may go up or down by a couple of pionts, but mostly goes up, then when production stops or supplies slows, the price jumps, because the demand stays the same.

Increasing the supply of ectos is not going to change the price, only the demand for them will. Most ectos are used for crafting anyway, the rest are traded to increase an items price.

Nerfing SF is not going to change anything, Nerfing ursans will not change anything other then to drive more people away from the game, then with less people to trade with, the price will just drop natrually. You should be thankful for these skills being in place, they keep you rich.

For all those who do not understand this, my answer is that either you are just to danm greedy, to young to understand, to ignorant, or just to stupid to care. It's a shame too, but understand this, if you were to have it your way, you would be a lone, because most would just move on to another game.

Anet's two biggest mistakes

originally making PvP/PvE together and effecting each other with more focus on PvP

Putting a storage cap on gold

Paul thy god · Jun 17, 2008, 09:02 AM // 09:02

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Originally Posted by phan

Why would Anet let 50% just enter godmode by pressing 3 skills .

I don't have them , don't need them and i just played some PvE for fun (I heard PvP was serz bus).I think it's an achievement if I come home ; have 2 hours of spare time and i don't really feel like doing anything , i can load up 6 heroes and try and clear FoW . These new skills just ruined that =)
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Firstly [Ursan Blessing] 1 skill, capable of Team Fow/UW clears.

Secondly [Save Yourselves] And [Dragon Slash]
Again another godmode build

Thirdly NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO USE PERMA SHADOW FORM.

Fourth It is still impossible to clear UW/FoW with perma shadow form alone.

and finally it will still be possible to do Chaos plains clears with [Glyph of Swiftness] and [Obsidian Flesh]
EDIT: I CALL HAX ON THE 6 HEROES

Onyx Blindbow · Jun 17, 2008, 11:28 AM // 11:28

hmm, can we not just have it so we can cast SF once and it stays in place like a bond, this would save me having to recast the SF chain & allow me more fire skills to kill quicker

{>.<}

(obviously this is sarcastic but I am just a little tired of all the QQ threads so thought I would add some levity and start the whiners whining more

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